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all right higher set Cheddar's you know

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that we love talking about the various

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brands of high strangeness out there

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magical rituals just to name a few well

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these mysterious encounters with aspects

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of the other side is us because all of

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these experiences come through the lens

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of human perception and of course the

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mainstream often uses that fact as an

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excuse to dismiss these strange

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occurrences entirely which is wrong but

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it's still a fact that shouldn't be

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what role does human consciousness play

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in these situations or any situation for

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that matter if the Gnostics were right

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in the material world is a persistent

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illusion in itself categorizing things

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categorizing water by levels of wetness

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anyway so today once again we're getting

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deep with Anthony peek one of the kings

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of consciousness research he's written

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several great books along the way but

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most recently his decade-plus study of

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reality the mind in altered states has

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come together in his latest masterpiece

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opening the doors of perception the key

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to cosmic awareness back in the THC

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saddle after four long years and still

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blowing more Minds than the US military

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anthony peek welcome back to the higher

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side wow greg can i can actually live up

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to that odd wonderful analogy with water

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really really brilliant yeah walls from

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wetness yeah you them and you're really

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that thank you thank you but it's been a

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long time and I've definitely been

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paying attention to your work along the

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way I love this new book and the title

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is of course a play on Aldous Huxley's

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famous doors of perception written back

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in the 50s and to kick this off you

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write that you called the book opening

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the doors of perception because you

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believe the time has come to reevaluate

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the model of perception suggested by

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Huxley and to view it through the lens

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of our modern science and that is well

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said so where do we see the greatest

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need for updating wouldn't have been our

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biggest insight since Huxley's time well

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the universe and also the expansion of

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our understanding of virtual reality I

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aware of the idea of external reality

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being some form of simulation that we've

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ever done before

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known science whereas now we are in this

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understanding exactly the relationship

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between consciousness and reality and

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certain substances or certain

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the plural quite often in the book for

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people who are unfamiliar tell us about

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how the Gnostics viewed reality and this

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poor Omar they described and how that

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fits into your view okay the Gnostics

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religious group around about the 1st and

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very very deeply about the true nature

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of reality and one of the major issues

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time a was something called theodicy and

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yay were whatever we want to call him is

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willing to accept the existence of evil

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eminently good God create childhood

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cancer or how could he allow evil to

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exist and indeed why would he allow the

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existence of Lucifer or whatever we want

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to talk about now at that time obviously

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most people had a religious worldview

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and a mystic worldview of how reality

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worked and the the Gnostics concluded

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quite rationally and I'm sure this is a

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position that most thinking individuals

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in their life is that maybe the God that

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the god of the New Testament isn't

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necessarily the real God that there is

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an existence behind this existence and

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that this existence has been created by

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what is known as the Demiurge the half

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creator yelled above and the idea that

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we are trapped within this simulated

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world that keeps us away from the real

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reality behind the reality now the

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behind reality or the God above God as

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the plural and the plural is from the

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Latin I think it's much it may even be

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from Greek and it literally means

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fullness and it's the idea that there is

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something behind this reality that we

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can under certain circumstances perceive

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is we have all within us a shard of the

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pleure oma a little kind of nugget

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within ourselves that is that is lost

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from the plural that is bitten that is

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something greater and Gnosticism and of

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is that by gnosis we can enlighten

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literally and metaphorically that shard

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of the plur Ouma that's inside ourselves

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to realize that we are far greater than

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this illusory reality we live within of

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the Demiurge yalda both there are agents

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within the world which which they termed

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the archons now anybody who knows the

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movie The Matrix will know this is the

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central concept of the matrix and in

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fact the matrix and the Wachowski

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brothers readily acknowledge that they

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would they were talking about Gnosticism

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becomes an enlightened being he becomes

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a word

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when when he takes the the red pill he

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becomes aware of the fact that there is

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a reality behind the reality and the

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agent Smith and his associates are there

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to actually deny us that overall

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existence now the issue here is always

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that spirituality and mysticism as

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opposed to religion which is dogma

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mysticism and spirituality teach greater

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truths using analogies because

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something you're trying to explain very

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deep esoteric ideas to the masses the

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whole Gnostic worldview is an analogy of

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a knowledge that has been known for

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centuries and has been carried through

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Sufism of their Muslims and on top of

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this this this idea that reality is an

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illusion is also found in all Eastern

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religions you know the concept of Meyer

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or in Hinduism it is all the idea that

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this is some form of brain generated

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illusion and of course we now know from

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our knowledge of how the brain works and

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our knowledge of neurology and our

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knowledge of what is now called

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consciousness studies the idea of how

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the brain recreates within itself an

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inner image of what external reality is

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and we might be able to touch upon that

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later but effectively Gnosticism has

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great truths within it and it has been

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abused and has been warped over the

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centuries but the message is still

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correct that we are trapped in meat

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machines and we are existing within meat

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machines that we presume are ourselves

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is not as strong as we're led to believe

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never ever say me in reference to these

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things these are things that are

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side of yourself that you perceive now

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realizing he didn't have a head and he

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was sitting on a mountaintop Douglas

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mountaintop and he he looked at his body

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amazing moments of clarity where he

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realized that he was a headless body as

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attuning to a much wider reality than

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the reality that we normally see your

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brain your consciousness interfaces with

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external reality the phenomenal world

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that's presented to your consciousness

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emotions the inner reality of Dreams

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latest book opening the doors of

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favorite perspective of the ones that

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this alternative realm that talk about

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the examination of out-of-body or near

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death experiences they study

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psychedelics and entheogen use but I

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experts and and it's that by the very

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nature of academic study the what you do

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is you study into smaller and smaller

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areas of knowledge so therefore you

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become the world's leading expert on I

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don't know the the knee function of the

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lesser spotted antelope or something

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near here and effectively you become the

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world's expert in that but what you

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don'tdo is because you've specialized to

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such an extent you don't have the

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cross-fertilization of ideas from other

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worldviews and other areas of research

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now you can expand that out to say that

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you could end up studying psychology but

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effectively studying psychology you also

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need an understanding of neurology and

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of neuro chemistry and what is happening

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is that there are very few people out

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there that are joining the dots not

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because they're not deliberately doing

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so you know I'm not one of these people

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that believe that science is somehow in

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denial of of altered states of

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consciousness

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it's just that scientists run down a

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certain path and they effectively from I

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know from when I was at university in

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the 1970s there was the overlay because

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I'm a social scientist and I'm a

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sociologist and there were areas of

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what's called positivism and the idea

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that the only thing that really exists

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is physical reality and the only thing

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that is is the physical material world

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whereas there are other people who argue

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the material world is just but one

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aspect of a far broader worldview but as

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long as you are denied academic tenure

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by pursuing areas of ideas that

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consciousness itself should be studied

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in greater detail the very fact that you

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start to be interested in the further

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reaches of consciousness tends to cause

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you problems in academia and I know this

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because there are an associates and

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friends of mine who are academics and

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work in academia and whenever I meet

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them for a drink or whatever we talk on

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skype and everything else they will

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always turn round to me and say about

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extraordinary experiences they've had

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they've have out of the body experiences

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they've had near-death experiences they

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have perceived aliens they've seen UFOs

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but all these individuals will always

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say I can never ever discuss these

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things with my fellow academics purely

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and simply because if I do so that will

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compromise my credibility

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the dish issue is that they're all

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thinking this that all of them are stuck

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in this materialist paradigm whereby you

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have to deny the inner life there is a

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form of psychology at the moment known

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as eliminative materialism and

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eliminative materialism is the mainstay

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of most psychology and both nude most

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neurology and effectively that is we do

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not have an inner life we do not we are

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fooling ourselves into thinking we are

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self referential conscious beings now

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believe it or not that is the status quo

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and that is the approach that most

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research scientists in neurology and

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social sciences and the science of

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consciousness studies take we are

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fooling ourselves into thinking we are

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even conscious now just a moment's

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reflection shows how incredibly stupid

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that is because if I am being fooled

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into thinking I am conscious by my brain

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I have to be a were to be fooled in

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other words I can't fool a rock into

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thinking it's an elephant because a rock

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is not conscious in other words you have

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to be conscious to be fooled and they

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don't seem to join those dots that the

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Daniel Dennett's of this world the the

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Patricia Church ends of this world are

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in complete and utter denial and every

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single sentient consciousness on this

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planet the three billion sentient

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consciousness is on this planet know

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that that's utter crap but we still

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believe in it and it's because it's

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scientism it is not science

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it is a referred belief that we all have

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to nod like nodding dogs to agree that

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this is correct

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we need to break out of that and what

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I'm trying to do is in my work I discuss

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everything from neuro chemistry to

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neurology to Gnosticism to quantum

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physics to the latest research in terms

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of consciousness studies and I really

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genuinely do do my research if you go

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out on the web you'll find that there

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are people who will criticize me there's

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no there's a site called rational wiki I

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think

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and if you do a search on Anthony peek

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it'll be the second or third one that

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will come up you read that article on me

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it's an ad hominem attack there is

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nowhere in that article it criticizes

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even vaguely my understanding of quantum

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physics my understanding of Neurology my

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understanding of the neuro chemistry the

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reason it doesn't is that my

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understanding of these subjects are

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pretty damn watertight hmm so in other

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words if you read my books you will find

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that every single reference I make and I

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mean every single reference will have a

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reference number and that will refer you

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at the back to an academic article or an

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article written in a scientific magazine

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and it will give you the opportunity to

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read back to the peer-reviewed analysis

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that's being done I believe I'm probably

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the only writer in this field that is

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doing that and I scare them shitless

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because I scre the hell out of them

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because they're a so easy to dismiss

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these weirdos who say that the

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channeling information from the planet

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thug you know that their ascended beings

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that they're you know star seeds and all

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that nonsense oh I know they're very

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easy to to attack and they love

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attacking them because they're easy to

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attack I'm not and because I'm not I

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have been invited on two or three

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occasions to address groups of skeptics

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on every occasion they back down they

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back down they run away and they run

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away because they don't have any answers

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to the things I'm saying because I am a

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skeptic I'm a skeptic by background I

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used to be a reader of the skeptical

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Inquirer

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I read all the skeptical books I know

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all the arguments the skeptics use so I

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can throw their arguments back at them

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mmhmm yeah man your work is definitely

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well sourced and pretty ironclad the

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gatekeepers of monoculture they're gonna

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do what they're gonna do but it seems

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like you're definitely passing them up

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and something I've been interested in

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lately is the similarities between

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modern encounters with the greys and old

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stories of fairy folk and little people

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and I was really psyched to see that

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your book brings this up when you talk

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about this

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girls Bonnie syndrome which was

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completely new to me maybe you can talk

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to us about that a bit and unfortunately

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your mother's experiences with it no

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absolutely I I I have been heavily into

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ufology since 1966 which is million

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years ago way before a lot of the

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listeners out there were even born and I

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have been studying ufology fall for that

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whole period and it is always intrigued

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me as to the the cultural aspects and

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when I was a university I studied

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sociology I study the sociology of

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religion the sociology belief so I am

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qualified in raised commas to discuss

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these things because you know I have

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written extensively you know academic

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stuff about this kind of material and it

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is it is interesting to note that the

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idea of other entities and little

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creatures and little beings is in every

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culture right across the world and it

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has been recorded since recorded writing

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you know so effectively it goes back an

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awful long way now I came across a book

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called Project Trojan horse by John keel

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that was written I think about 1969 1970

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and then followed on by the fantastic

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research of a French ufologist called

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Jacques Vallee mm-hmm who wrote a book

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called passport to Magana now if you

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read particularly valley and also a guy

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called Brinsley Laporte ranch who's at a

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very little-known lord Klang party who

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was a Anglo Irish Lord who wrote a book

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called the sky people way back in about

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1963 which was an amazing book but

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effectively what these guys are arguing

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and what Valley is arguing is that the

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UFO phenomenon is closely tied to our

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own psyche we're dealing here with

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archetypes we are dealing here with

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Jungian archetypes in fact Col Gustav

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Jung wrote a book about UFOs and about

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the archetypal nature of UFOs and UFO

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entities now I'd followed this through

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for many years and finally after the

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breaking news you may be interested to

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know that the new book opening the doors

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of perception

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my publisher Watkins are so stunned by

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this book they've already paid me in

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advance to write the sequel well you

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know and that's and being my writing

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career is unknown you know the book has

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only just come out and before the book

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came out they'd already said we want you

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to write a sequel on this book and the

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sequel will be through the doors of

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perception so it will be dealing with

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these issues but going back to the idea

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that they are archetypes in some way the

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story gets very very strange because it

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involves my own mother and around about

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four or five years ago now the

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background story is my mother lost her

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eye with malignant melanoma in her

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mid-50s and she started developing

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glaucoma in her good eye so effectively

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she's partially sighted and she's a

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widow lives on her own or do used to

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live on her own in a house of a little

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place called prana pool village which is

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on the world Peninsula near Liverpool

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and she was traveling home to the

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village walking onto the village with my

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aunt my father's mother my father saw my

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father's sister and my aunt stopped to

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tie her shoelace and my mother this

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incident my mother phoned me up this

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evening because she was so disturbed by

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it she as my aunty stopped my mother

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looked over my aunty's head and saw in

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the sky what she described as being a

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cloud of smoke circling around itself

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and I just noticed smoke a little smoke

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which the higher side shots think as I

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said smoked I thought the synchronicity

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there I think yeah and as the-- she said

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it started to swirl round itself and

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turn into a disc shape and then suddenly

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shot off at high speed towards North

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Wales

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so effectively to her left hand side as

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she was looking at it she phoned me up

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and she says I'm not sure what I saw

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there now my mother doesn't know

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anything about UFO she has never been in

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shown any interest in my UFO books or

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anything so I genuinely know this is

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just not something in her worldview at

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all

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she describes this and I said mom you

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probably it was just your I sign you

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probably saw something peculiar I leave

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it at that and about two or three days

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later she phones me up one morning and

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she's in absolute hysterics she lives on

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her own my aunts have gone back and she

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woke up in the middle of the shoot to

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describe that she woke up in the middle

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of the night and she swore blind that

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she had closed her bedroom door she woke

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up and she was in a state of sleep

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paralysis

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you know REM intrusion whereby you know

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you're asleep but you're awake at the

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same time and because your body when you

549
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are in these states paralyzes yourself

550
00:23:25,940 --> 00:23:23,910
to actually stop yourself damaging

551
00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:25,950
yourself it's a phenomena known as REM

552
00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:30,780
intrusion when the dreams overlay the

553
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:32,630
reality that you're perceiving outside

554
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:35,730
and she said she was looking towards the

555
00:23:40,550 --> 00:23:37,980
door of the bedroom and the door was

556
00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:40,560
partially open and she thought to

557
00:23:45,650 --> 00:23:42,030
herself why is the door open

558
00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:45,660
and as she did that she noticed two or

559
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:47,790
three spindly fingers come round the

560
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:51,690
door and then this tiny head poked its

561
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:53,970
head round and she described the head as

562
00:23:58,370 --> 00:23:55,710
being the creature must have been about

563
00:24:01,070 --> 00:23:58,380
three foot tall she said it had a

564
00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:01,080
completely bald head it had huge black

565
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:03,990
eyes it had two holes for nostrils on a

566
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:07,290
slit for a mouth it looked at her and

567
00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:09,930
realized she was looking at it and

568
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:14,070
dodged its head back my mother then

569
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:16,200
spent the rest of the night terrified

570
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:19,170
before she eventually I guess went into

571
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:22,260
full REM sleep she phones you up the

572
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:23,970
next day and I'm listening to this and

573
00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:27,330
I'm going my god yeah this is intriguing

574
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:29,910
because as you know the foreword for my

575
00:24:31,670 --> 00:24:31,290
new book is written by wouldn't Whitley

576
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:31,680
Strieber

577
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:36,330
guy that put the greys on the map with

578
00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:38,520
his book communion rail because if you

579
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:40,260
look at the cover of the book communion

580
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:44,100
it's the classic gray now my mother the

581
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:45,900
only the only science fiction film I

582
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:48,360
think my mother has ever watched was ET

583
00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:52,290
now york aditi ET is not a gray in any

584
00:24:57,090 --> 00:24:55,470
shape or form that's the only linkage i

585
00:25:00,060 --> 00:24:57,100
think she could make but she would

586
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:00,070
of me she was in her mid 80s then

587
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:01,809
there's no way she would make any kind

588
00:25:06,330 --> 00:25:03,850
of association with the object she had

589
00:25:09,779 --> 00:25:06,340
seen three or four days before with this

590
00:25:12,779 --> 00:25:09,789
other being that was in her room anyway

591
00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:12,789
I called around to see her regularly but

592
00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:15,100
it was a few weeks later after I'd

593
00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:16,630
calmed her down over this thing and

594
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:20,200
we're talking and she goes I wish the

595
00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:22,330
children would stop singing they really

596
00:25:25,710 --> 00:25:24,190
bother me and I said which children are

597
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:25,720
these mum and she said oh the children

598
00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:27,250
that follow me round when I'm shopping

599
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,580
Wow and I said well what happens and she

600
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:32,320
said there are little little creatures

601
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:35,049
like little children and they sing in

602
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,090
this really kind of weird way they got

603
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:39,039
these really high-pitched sound voices

604
00:25:45,779 --> 00:25:42,640
and I said mom where do you see them she

605
00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:45,789
said I see them when I'm shopping and I

606
00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:47,320
see them in the house they're in the

607
00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:49,750
house and I said what these creatures

608
00:25:53,220 --> 00:25:51,580
are in your living room she said oh yes

609
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:53,230
yes they're not threatening they're very

610
00:25:57,570 --> 00:25:54,730
very friendly and they chatted to each

611
00:25:59,880 --> 00:25:57,580
other and they they giggle a lot and

612
00:26:02,610 --> 00:25:59,890
then she said and they're like the man I

613
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:02,620
see in the kitchen and I said Bachmann's

614
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:04,270
this moment she said oh there's a tall

615
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:06,370
elderly man I see in the kitchen he

616
00:26:11,159 --> 00:26:08,289
never speaks but he nods at me and he

617
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:11,169
smiles a lot so he's a nice man and I'm

618
00:26:14,970 --> 00:26:13,030
thinking does she let people into the

619
00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:14,980
house does she let local children into

620
00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:18,580
the house clearly she wasn't Bell

621
00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:20,440
started to ring in my head and because

622
00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:22,750
I've been involved in this kind of work

623
00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:25,990
for many many years I started thinking

624
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:29,980
there is something here happening and I

625
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:33,130
thought it's Charles Bond a syndrome now

626
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:35,110
Charles bonnet syndrome was discovered

627
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:36,850
curiously enough by a guy called Charles

628
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:38,500
bonnet it's fascinating isn't it how

629
00:26:42,510 --> 00:26:41,110
these people have discovered things that

630
00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:42,520
subsequently you discover of the same

631
00:26:46,049 --> 00:26:44,470
name as them you know it's like

632
00:26:47,549 --> 00:26:46,059
Einstein's theory of relativity

633
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:47,559
how did high Stein discover Einstein's

634
00:26:54,539 --> 00:26:49,620
theory of relativity I'm being facetious

635
00:26:58,289 --> 00:26:54,549
but Charles Bonney was a wrench doctor

636
00:26:59,850 --> 00:26:58,299
in I think around about the 1780s 1790s

637
00:27:01,380 --> 00:26:59,860
I can stand corrected on that because

638
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:01,390
I'm not sure but it was about that

639
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:05,370
period and his father or his grandfather

640
00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:07,330
started to claim that he was

641
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:09,159
hallucinating little creatures and

642
00:27:12,570 --> 00:27:10,330
little people

643
00:27:15,389 --> 00:27:12,580
and Bonnie started to look into this and

644
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:15,399
discovered that it was part and parcel

645
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:19,210
of growing older and the older somebody

646
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:21,250
got and if they were likely if they were

647
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:23,370
partially sighted or losing their sight

648
00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:26,890
they started to see little creatures

649
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:30,760
everywhere now I then thought well this

650
00:27:35,490 --> 00:27:33,279
sounds like what's happening to my

651
00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:35,500
mother so I started to read up on the

652
00:27:39,779 --> 00:27:37,960
subject and to my little surprise

653
00:27:42,810 --> 00:27:39,789
because I was expecting this I

654
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:42,820
discovered that shows Bonnie syndrome is

655
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:46,799
a prodrome it is a a precursor for

656
00:27:53,399 --> 00:27:51,190
Alzheimer's and my mother's behavior was

657
00:27:55,649 --> 00:27:53,409
be getting more and more erratic and her

658
00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:55,659
memory was going and everything else so

659
00:27:59,039 --> 00:27:57,340
I came to the conclusion that she was

660
00:28:01,860 --> 00:27:59,049
developing Alzheimer's but of course I'm

661
00:28:03,870 --> 00:28:01,870
a layperson and you know I needed to get

662
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:03,880
the assurance on this so I took her to

663
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:06,490
her doctor and her doctor had never

664
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:09,130
heard of Charles bonnet syndrome why

665
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:11,110
should they know why should they know

666
00:28:14,909 --> 00:28:12,730
and to be reasonable why should they

667
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:14,919
know but with an aging population you

668
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:16,330
would think that more and more doctors

669
00:28:20,129 --> 00:28:17,769
should be aware of this psychological

670
00:28:22,889 --> 00:28:20,139
state because it is a way of early

671
00:28:24,330 --> 00:28:22,899
diagnosing Alzheimer's because we

672
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:24,340
subsequently discovered that she did

673
00:28:30,779 --> 00:28:29,200
have low e sell-out songs and she was

674
00:28:32,879 --> 00:28:30,789
diagnosed with the Alzheimer's and it

675
00:28:35,639 --> 00:28:32,889
became progressively worse and she's now

676
00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:35,649
literally catatonic now the curious

677
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:38,620
thing about this is that my research

678
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:40,330
into Charles bonnet syndrome and there's

679
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:41,529
a whole chapter on Charles bonnet

680
00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:44,049
syndrome in the new book is that Charles

681
00:28:50,879 --> 00:28:46,840
bonnet syndrome is also experienced by

682
00:28:53,549 --> 00:28:50,889
young children and it is also known as

683
00:28:55,049 --> 00:28:53,559
the mythical friends you know the way

684
00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:55,059
children there's a monster under the bed

685
00:29:03,419 --> 00:28:58,470
or they see fairies or they see entities

686
00:29:06,899 --> 00:29:03,429
this is the same thing so young children

687
00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:06,909
have it and elderly people have it now

688
00:29:15,810 --> 00:29:10,360
what is this telling us about the way in

689
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:15,820
which we develop as we get older and I

690
00:29:22,019 --> 00:29:19,260
then started to read up and I found that

691
00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:22,029
Charles bonnet syndrome is also

692
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:25,630
experienced by individuals who suffer

693
00:29:30,899 --> 00:29:27,970
from classic migraine now I'm a classic

694
00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:30,909
migraine ER I've never ever seen little

695
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:32,860
entities but I have the the the aura

696
00:29:36,690 --> 00:29:34,450
state and I have it in which we can

697
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:36,700
touch upon later but I discovered that

698
00:29:43,379 --> 00:29:40,330
there are writers and individuals who

699
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:43,389
into their 20s and 30s seem to carry

700
00:29:52,220 --> 00:29:47,679
forward the seeing of mythical friends

701
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,230
or imaginary friends into their

702
00:29:57,779 --> 00:29:54,880
post-pubescent period because of course

703
00:30:00,629 --> 00:29:57,789
most children lose this usually at eight

704
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:00,639
or nine but definitely by the time they

705
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:02,770
get into pubescence they stop and I

706
00:30:06,629 --> 00:30:04,510
think I know the reason why this happens

707
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:06,639
which we'll touch upon later and it's to

708
00:30:13,139 --> 00:30:10,480
do in passing with the corpus callosum

709
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:13,149
in the brain which is the thick body of

710
00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:15,370
fiber that holds the left and right

711
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:18,070
hemispheres together the neurons in that

712
00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:20,529
area up into the Dages of six or seven

713
00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:23,500
don't have myelination the myelination

714
00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:27,220
is actually insulation of the neurons in

715
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:29,740
the brain which effectively means that

716
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:31,330
the right and left hemispheres of the

717
00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:34,529
brains of children do not communicate

718
00:30:39,659 --> 00:30:36,820
which effectively means they are

719
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,669
bicameral which means that they either

720
00:30:44,639 --> 00:30:41,440
exist in their dominant or non-dominant

721
00:30:46,049 --> 00:30:44,649
hemispheres which opens up for I argue

722
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:46,059
for the doors of perception which we'll

723
00:30:51,889 --> 00:30:48,610
touch upon later but with people with

724
00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:51,899
classic migraine you find that they see

725
00:30:56,970 --> 00:30:54,460
many of them do they see little children

726
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:56,980
and the sir an American writer called

727
00:31:03,539 --> 00:31:01,480
Siri haasvelt and she still experiences

728
00:31:06,869 --> 00:31:03,549
Charles bonnet syndrome and she's now in

729
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:06,879
her 40s and she describes in her books

730
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:10,840
what she sees and one incident she

731
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,080
describes his is uncanny she was sitting

732
00:31:22,049 --> 00:31:17,679
on her bed and suddenly through the door

733
00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:22,059
of her bedroom was a little farmer about

734
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:24,790
8 inches tall with a little

735
00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:28,210
how and he's pulling the cow and the cow

736
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:30,790
is responding and pulling back at him so

737
00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:32,770
he gets a stick out and he beats the cow

738
00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:35,020
and as he does so a little police car

739
00:31:40,350 --> 00:31:37,480
comes around full of little police

740
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:40,360
officers who get out and arrest him

741
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:42,730
push him into the police car and drive

742
00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:45,910
out and she's sitting there watching

743
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:48,070
this and this hallucination for in

744
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:49,750
raised commas is out there in

745
00:31:55,890 --> 00:31:52,090
three-dimensional reality hmm

746
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:55,900
now this phenomenon is known and before

747
00:32:00,150 --> 00:31:57,730
people think I'm making this up I

748
00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:00,160
strongly advise you read the book

749
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:02,980
hallucinations by Oliver Sacks the late

750
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:05,470
Oliver sex and all of a sex is one of

751
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:07,090
the most fascinating writers on

752
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:10,810
extraordinary psychological neurological

753
00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:12,310
experiences that people have he wrote a

754
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:14,140
famous book called Mike the man who

755
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:15,690
mistook his wife for a hat

756
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:18,370
wonderful wonderful title and it

757
00:32:23,550 --> 00:32:21,850
literally was one of his patients was

758
00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:23,560
suffering from a gag knees here and

759
00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:25,720
various other problems and he literally

760
00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:28,600
thought his wife was his hat so he tried

761
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:30,190
to pick her up and put her on his head

762
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:34,960
okay and he has a whole chapter in his

763
00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:38,230
book hallucinations on chose Bonnie

764
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:41,260
syndrome and in this chapter he

765
00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:43,930
discusses in great detail the things I

766
00:32:49,140 --> 00:32:46,300
have discussed in greater detail in my

767
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:49,150
book about elderly people and the way

768
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:51,280
Charles Bonnie syndrome seems to stop

769
00:33:01,650 --> 00:32:54,630
developing now I believe this is because

770
00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:01,660
old age and youth it being an infant

771
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:05,560
directly related and that as an old

772
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:07,150
person have you ever noticed with old

773
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:07,750
people

774
00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:10,450
as they get older they become more

775
00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:13,180
childlike mm-hmm they start to look more

776
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:16,060
like a child my mother I've watched my

777
00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:19,810
mother go in Reverse from being a woman

778
00:33:25,230 --> 00:33:22,900
in her 70s being very fit and active and

779
00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:25,240
very very bright to becoming more like a

780
00:33:31,470 --> 00:33:28,120
child and even more like a child till

781
00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:31,480
now she's virtually a fetus she's curled

782
00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:34,270
up in bed she's tiny she's in a fetal

783
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:36,760
position she doesn't move she doesn't

784
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:40,510
communicate just like a baby does mm-hmm

785
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:43,420
and I believe this is because when you

786
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:45,700
die you go back to being reborn again

787
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:49,930
and everything psychologically you are

788
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:53,050
developing and going back down into

789
00:33:59,100 --> 00:33:56,770
childhood into infancy and then you get

790
00:34:01,770 --> 00:33:59,110
reborn again and start and of course in

791
00:34:04,380 --> 00:34:01,780
my books I've discussed this in in great

792
00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:04,390
detail but what the first book this is

793
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:05,680
the first book I've done where I've

794
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:08,770
actually pulled together powerful

795
00:34:14,700 --> 00:34:10,510
powerful information there was a guy

796
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:14,710
called Barry R iceberg in 1984 again

797
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:18,280
he's a scientist he's a neurologist he

798
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:20,590
came up with a hypothesis called retro

799
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:24,610
Genesis and retro Genesis is exactly

800
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:27,850
what I have just said it's where the old

801
00:34:33,630 --> 00:34:31,060
person becomes a child they go backwards

802
00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:33,640
in time hmm but of course he wouldn't

803
00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:36,190
argue they start again but I argue they

804
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:39,160
do I argue that our life is a circle our

805
00:34:45,060 --> 00:34:41,970
life is like well it's like a spiral and

806
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:45,070
when we die we go back and we're reborn

807
00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:47,290
again and there's more and more evidence

808
00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:50,470
this is powerful evidence from neurology

809
00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:52,600
that this is the case because of course

810
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:55,030
what happens is when the child starts to

811
00:35:00,180 --> 00:34:57,970
become aware of its world what does it

812
00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:00,190
do it sees the world as an extension of

813
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:02,980
itself we know this how children's minds

814
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:04,990
work you know from Piaget and the

815
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:07,150
developmental people Vygotsky and other

816
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:08,890
people that looked at the development of

817
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:10,930
young children all through the centuries

818
00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:13,570
are all through recent years we know

819
00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:15,260
this is how the child develops

820
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:17,150
hmm and I believe they carry through

821
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:21,200
their doors of perception as Aldous

822
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:22,820
Huxley described them when in fact it

823
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:25,250
wasn't Aldous Huxley it was William

824
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:28,310
Blake from the cut from the poem from

825
00:35:34,359 --> 00:35:31,730
Songs of Innocence I think it was but

826
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:34,369
effectively the doors of perception are

827
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:36,680
open and this is the whole theme of the

828
00:35:42,730 --> 00:35:39,440
book so from my mother's experiences but

829
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:42,740
I think the important detail here is the

830
00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:46,070
alien encounter the way in which the

831
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:48,920
alien seemed to be the facilitator and

832
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:51,290
seemed to be something that was the

833
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:52,910
start of the opening the doors of

834
00:35:57,099 --> 00:35:54,890
perception and I think this is of

835
00:35:58,570 --> 00:35:57,109
profound significance especially when we

836
00:36:01,170 --> 00:35:58,580
start discussing which hopefully we will

837
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:01,180
later DMT experiences

838
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:03,890
mm-hmm-hmm man those are powerful

839
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,280
observations and a really elegant way to

840
00:36:12,099 --> 00:36:09,680
describe old age in the dying process

841
00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:12,109
makes it seem a lot less scary I really

842
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:15,220
do like that and you know you mentioned

843
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:17,510
hallucinations and your book talks about

844
00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:19,369
that a lot but it is such a loaded term

845
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:21,950
and to be clear this isn't to say that

846
00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:24,350
these things people are experiencing are

847
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:27,380
seen aren't real autonomous or conscious

848
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:29,810
entities only that they can't be sensed

849
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:33,200
in brains of neurotypical States which

850
00:36:37,090 --> 00:36:35,090
is a term that I like that I got from

851
00:36:39,490 --> 00:36:37,100
you but I guess it gets really weird

852
00:36:41,230 --> 00:36:39,500
when UFOs leave physical traces or

853
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:41,240
people are found with implants I mean

854
00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:43,130
how do we rectify some of those physical

855
00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:45,830
traces of what you know the mono culture

856
00:36:49,210 --> 00:36:46,840
would want to say are just

857
00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:49,220
hallucinations well this is where the

858
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:51,020
problem lies because my mother's

859
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:53,810
experience of seeing the the UFO over

860
00:36:59,650 --> 00:36:56,090
prices factory on the world was

861
00:37:01,540 --> 00:36:59,660
subsequently vindicated by a facebook

862
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,550
friend of mine called Morgan Hawkins and

863
00:37:05,050 --> 00:37:03,680
again if you want to link up with me

864
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:05,060
anybody out there wants to link up with

865
00:37:10,030 --> 00:37:07,070
me on space be on Facebook and there's a

866
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:10,040
Freudian slip effectively do so because

867
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:11,690
I'm very very active on there and I have

868
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,369
you know thousands and thousands of

869
00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:14,960
people involved in my work across the

870
00:37:20,859 --> 00:37:17,420
world who contact me but Morrigan is

871
00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:20,869
somebody who lives on the world and she

872
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:22,820
contacted me because we have a mutual

873
00:37:27,550 --> 00:37:24,170
friend a friend of mine Richard Fleming

874
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:27,560
and she is a friend of his and she said

875
00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:29,230
I saw you put up on Facebook

876
00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:31,480
your mother's experience and she said

877
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:35,350
I'm 95% certain I saw that object at

878
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:37,810
that time and she was crossing something

879
00:37:42,090 --> 00:37:39,160
called a white bridge which is on the a

880
00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:42,100
41 highway on the world and she was

881
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:43,869
looking towards the very same factory

882
00:37:48,030 --> 00:37:45,670
that my mother saw her experience and

883
00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:48,040
she saw exactly the same object and it

884
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:49,750
flew in exactly the same direction and

885
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,310
Morrigan described to me that she was in

886
00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:52,960
a taxi with a friend of hers and the

887
00:37:59,150 --> 00:37:56,350
taxi driver and they all saw it so here

888
00:38:02,280 --> 00:37:59,160
we have some kind of external reality

889
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:02,290
that is impinging upon the internal

890
00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:07,619
reality but if we conclude that both

891
00:38:14,010 --> 00:38:11,350
internal hallucinations and external

892
00:38:18,510 --> 00:38:14,020
reality of both elements of the same

893
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,520
thing suddenly the idea that physical

894
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:20,320
manifestations in three-dimensional

895
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,800
reality somehow discredit or credit the

896
00:38:32,250 --> 00:38:28,000
hallucinations suddenly becomes a moot

897
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:32,260
point in other words the reason that we

898
00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:34,680
perceive external reality the way we do

899
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:38,080
because the brain itself internally

900
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:41,020
generates a model of external reality

901
00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:43,930
within the brain and presents it to

902
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:47,140
consciousness which means that external

903
00:38:53,550 --> 00:38:49,690
reality is as much a brain generated

904
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:53,560
hallucination as internal reality is now

905
00:38:59,400 --> 00:38:56,700
this again is not mad nonsense

906
00:39:02,880 --> 00:38:59,410
anybody who actually understands how the

907
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:02,890
brain internally models reality knows

908
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,070
this is a fact I was in a debate with

909
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:09,040
skeptics of formal debate in London two

910
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:11,170
years ago there were three on my team

911
00:39:16,290 --> 00:39:14,170
and three skeptics and we wiped the

912
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:16,300
earth with them that's why they never

913
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:19,290
involved me in these kind of debates and

914
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:23,470
one of the guys on on my side was a guy

915
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:25,410
called professor Raymond Tallis and

916
00:39:30,450 --> 00:39:28,200
Raymond Tallis is an absolute polymath

917
00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:30,460
brilliant brilliant mind brilliant guy

918
00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:33,880
and Ray in his presentation though again

919
00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:35,020
if anybody's interested Ray's

920
00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:37,960
presentation is on YouTube if you just

921
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:41,980
look up Raymond Tallis London debate

922
00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:45,040
you will find it okay and in his opening

923
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:47,320
presentation he makes this amazing

924
00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:51,800
comment where he says that

925
00:39:58,810 --> 00:39:56,270
the idea that out-of-body experiences

926
00:40:00,760 --> 00:39:58,820
and NDA's and other extraordinary

927
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:00,770
experiences are extraordinary and

928
00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:03,710
strange is weird because it's just as

929
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:05,990
extraordinary strange that I'm having a

930
00:40:11,740 --> 00:40:09,110
real life experience right it is just as

931
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:11,750
odd but people never ever think about

932
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:15,110
that that I am something some were

933
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:18,530
somehow behind my eyes and between my

934
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:23,090
ears that somehow aware of all this that

935
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:26,330
surround me in a ordinarily dead

936
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,810
universe I am something perceiving

937
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:32,480
something and this is why people never

938
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:34,850
ever think deeply enough you know they

939
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:38,210
dismiss NDA's and they dismiss OBEs but

940
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:39,890
they never ever think but isn't it

941
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,040
absolutely staggeringly amazing that I'm

942
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:45,200
here and indeed is it not staggeringly

943
00:40:51,850 --> 00:40:48,770
amazing that anything exists rather than

944
00:40:56,590 --> 00:40:51,860
nothing mm-hmm but it does and it is

945
00:40:58,570 --> 00:40:56,600
perceived by me now again as an analogy

946
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,580
I've used in my previous writings here

947
00:41:02,530 --> 00:41:00,560
and people turn around and say external

948
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:02,540
reality is real internal and

949
00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:05,510
hallucinations are not the only reason

950
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,100
that an hallucination is an

951
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:08,960
hallucination is because it is not

952
00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:10,850
shared by anybody else that is the

953
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:13,670
absolute definition it is a perception

954
00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:16,130
that is external to yourself that nobody

955
00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:19,190
else perceives but there is something

956
00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:21,230
else in psychology called a folly of

957
00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:24,470
dirt and a folly odor is when you and

958
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:25,720
another person

959
00:41:32,860 --> 00:41:28,790
sure an hallucination which has been

960
00:41:34,750 --> 00:41:32,870
recorded many many times so here we have

961
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:34,760
a problem for materias reductionist

962
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:36,980
science because the only way they can

963
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:39,650
explain a foley odor which is a shirt

964
00:41:44,830 --> 00:41:41,870
hallucination is by falling back on

965
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:44,840
telepathy mm-hmm communication between

966
00:41:50,350 --> 00:41:47,270
brains at a distance but they don't

967
00:41:52,570 --> 00:41:50,360
believe in that anyway so they use one

968
00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:52,580
thing they don't believe in to explain

969
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,000
something else they don't believe in

970
00:42:00,970 --> 00:41:57,920
when you then have a group of

971
00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:00,980
individuals who collectively have an

972
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:02,780
elucidation like many of the mass UFO

973
00:42:08,349 --> 00:42:05,450
sightings with the incident at

974
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,359
at Fatima whether the Sun supposedly

975
00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:11,119
spun in the sky these things were

976
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:14,540
soldiers seen by thousands of people

977
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,400
that's collective hysteria so we have

978
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:21,280
thousands of people sharing an

979
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:25,730
hallucination Billy thousands of people

980
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:29,060
can share an elucidation why is external

981
00:42:34,569 --> 00:42:31,510
reality similarly not an hallucination

982
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:34,579
because the only reason I believe that

983
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:36,530
external reality is real is because

984
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:39,710
other people correspond and agree with

985
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:42,560
me it is consensually real it's actually

986
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:44,780
a term called consensual reality we

987
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:47,030
consent to the fact that we see the same

988
00:42:51,609 --> 00:42:47,510
things

989
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:51,619
mm-hmm but clearly collective

990
00:42:58,089 --> 00:42:54,290
hallucinations destroy that argument

991
00:43:00,220 --> 00:42:58,099
right so there are researchers in recent

992
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:00,230
years there's a couple of guys many many

993
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:02,510
years ago came up with a book on

994
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,210
hallucinations as a lady called Celia

995
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:07,520
Green and her associate I think it's

996
00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:10,880
Christopher or Colin McCreary and they

997
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:11,990
came up with something called a

998
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:15,440
metaphoric model of perception and the

999
00:43:21,609 --> 00:43:17,290
metaphoric model is simply this

1000
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:21,619
everything is an elucidation everything

1001
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:25,210
and to me that makes eminent good sense

1002
00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:28,190
absolutely I agree and maybe we should

1003
00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:30,380
throw dimethyltryptamine in here a

1004
00:43:34,660 --> 00:43:32,359
little bit because you could consider it

1005
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:34,670
a bit of a clue that I have I mean I've

1006
00:43:39,099 --> 00:43:36,050
heard other researchers suggest that

1007
00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:39,109
because the alien abduction phenomenon

1008
00:43:43,770 --> 00:43:42,140
and UFO sightings seem to repeat with

1009
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:43,780
people they seem to be

1010
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:45,890
multi-generational I've heard some

1011
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:48,560
people equate that to the reasoning

1012
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:50,530
being that maybe it's because of

1013
00:43:57,609 --> 00:43:54,200
hereditary DMT dumping condition of some

1014
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,619
kind or some kind of chemical issue what

1015
00:44:00,250 --> 00:43:58,880
are your thoughts on that and maybe you

1016
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:00,260
know also what role does

1017
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:02,089
dimethyltryptamine play in the big

1018
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:04,910
picture okay well the things we have to

1019
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:07,609
discuss here is that there will be

1020
00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:11,990
people out there who will be believing

1021
00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:16,220
that some people know the DMT just an

1022
00:44:18,579 --> 00:44:16,760
explanation

1023
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:18,589
dimethyltryptamine is the most powerful

1024
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:19,190
who

1025
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:21,050
janek substance probably known to man

1026
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:23,690
there was powerful one that's discovered

1027
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:27,410
it's in nature it's it's in plants it

1028
00:44:30,819 --> 00:44:29,119
seems to be everywhere it seems to be

1029
00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:30,829
unusual to find places where it's not

1030
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:35,270
it's been found in the cerebral fluid in

1031
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:38,450
the back in the spinal cord it's been

1032
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:40,010
found in the liver and I think it's been

1033
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,210
found in the lining of the stomach but

1034
00:44:48,339 --> 00:44:46,160
educated people will counter the

1035
00:44:50,109 --> 00:44:48,349
argument and say yes that is it maybe

1036
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:50,119
but it's never been discovered in the

1037
00:44:55,210 --> 00:44:53,390
brain it has been discovered in the

1038
00:44:58,420 --> 00:44:55,220
brain it's just that people don't know

1039
00:45:02,160 --> 00:44:58,430
about it and the reason being is that I

1040
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:02,170
think this discovery has caused

1041
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:07,010
incredible problems with the deniers of

1042
00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:12,250
the greater reality 2014 I think it was

1043
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:15,800
there was a paper published by a lady

1044
00:45:21,819 --> 00:45:18,800
called GMO ba Jie Jian who was at the

1045
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:21,829
University of Michigan and she's been

1046
00:45:34,809 --> 00:45:28,760
researching the brains of rats and she

1047
00:45:38,260 --> 00:45:34,819
did some tests on rats that year and she

1048
00:45:41,950 --> 00:45:38,270
found inside the pineal gland of rats

1049
00:45:44,260 --> 00:45:41,960
dimethyltryptamine the rats brain is a

1050
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:44,270
mammalian brain it has evolved in

1051
00:45:48,490 --> 00:45:46,460
exactly the same way as the human brain

1052
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:48,500
has evolved the reason that they do

1053
00:45:52,839 --> 00:45:50,650
experiments with rats is because the new

1054
00:45:55,329 --> 00:45:52,849
neurological the way the brain

1055
00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:55,339
communicates with a rat is incredibly

1056
00:46:03,220 --> 00:45:58,430
similar to the way the human brain comes

1057
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:03,230
about they found it in a live rat now if

1058
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:05,690
that is the case either

1059
00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:08,960
dimethyltryptamine is generated by the

1060
00:46:15,069 --> 00:46:12,980
pineal gland or it appears from

1061
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:15,079
somewhere else in the body in the pineal

1062
00:46:21,070 --> 00:46:17,630
gland but there is no question that it

1063
00:46:24,010 --> 00:46:21,080
was inside the pineal gland now

1064
00:46:26,170 --> 00:46:24,020
then explains why it's in the the spine

1065
00:46:27,850 --> 00:46:26,180
of cerebral fluid it explains why it's

1066
00:46:31,620 --> 00:46:27,860
in the body it explains why it's in the

1067
00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:31,630
blood it's part of us we have evolved in

1068
00:46:37,090 --> 00:46:34,550
this way now the reason we don't know

1069
00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:37,100
that dimethyltryptamine is in the pineal

1070
00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:41,600
gland of live people is obvious it

1071
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:44,020
doesn't doesn't last very long and it

1072
00:46:50,530 --> 00:46:47,930
changes into other substances so unless

1073
00:46:53,260 --> 00:46:50,540
anybody is willing to volunteer to have

1074
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:53,270
their brain split open and have a sensor

1075
00:46:58,510 --> 00:46:56,090
put inside their pineal gland we'll

1076
00:47:00,490 --> 00:46:58,520
never know but if somebody volunteers to

1077
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:00,500
do that I guarantee they will discover

1078
00:47:06,850 --> 00:47:03,770
that DMT is generated by the pineal

1079
00:47:09,940 --> 00:47:06,860
gland there is lots of supporting

1080
00:47:11,950 --> 00:47:09,950
evidence for this for example there are

1081
00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:11,960
things called the tars receptors the

1082
00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:14,440
trace I mean associated receptors and

1083
00:47:20,850 --> 00:47:16,760
there's something called a Sigma 1 and

1084
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:20,860
Sigma 2 receptor sites and these

1085
00:47:26,890 --> 00:47:23,870
receptor sites within the neurons of the

1086
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:26,900
brain are known to react with

1087
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:29,090
dimethyltryptamine it's as if they are

1088
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:31,030
designed they're like little harbors and

1089
00:47:35,110 --> 00:47:33,260
receptor sites are always designed to

1090
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:35,120
work with particular neurotransmitters

1091
00:47:38,590 --> 00:47:36,650
which are chemicals that are generated

1092
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:38,600
by the brain to communicate send

1093
00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:40,910
messages across the brain these are

1094
00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:43,480
designed to work with dimethyltryptamine

1095
00:47:47,140 --> 00:47:46,220
now if dimethyltryptamine these have

1096
00:47:48,850 --> 00:47:47,150
been designed this means that

1097
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:48,860
dimethyltryptamine is something called a

1098
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:51,350
neurotransmitter right and if it is a

1099
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:52,550
neurotransmitter

1100
00:47:57,690 --> 00:47:55,730
it is our modulator of reality and this

1101
00:48:01,540 --> 00:47:57,700
is something that Rick Strassman argued

1102
00:48:04,570 --> 00:48:01,550
so suddenly we have something very

1103
00:48:07,210 --> 00:48:04,580
curious here because dimethyltryptamine

1104
00:48:09,370 --> 00:48:07,220
has been known for many many years and

1105
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:09,380
I'll touch upon ayahuasca later if we

1106
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:11,330
get the opportunity but just to focus

1107
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:13,940
into dimethyltryptamine for a second in

1108
00:48:17,860 --> 00:48:17,090
the early 1990s a guy called Professor

1109
00:48:19,870 --> 00:48:17,870
Rick Strassman

1110
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:19,880
was employed by the American government

1111
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:22,130
this is known this is not not conspiracy

1112
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:25,490
theory this is a known fact was employed

1113
00:48:30,070 --> 00:48:27,410
together with his University the

1114
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:30,080
University of New Mexico to do research

1115
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:32,450
into the effects of dimethyltryptamine

1116
00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:34,609
on volunteers

1117
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:37,849
and they had scores of volunteers who

1118
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:40,700
volunteered to take intravenously

1119
00:48:45,069 --> 00:48:42,470
we have injected into their bloodstream

1120
00:48:46,509 --> 00:48:45,079
dimethyltryptamine and then their job

1121
00:48:49,329 --> 00:48:46,519
was to then have the dimethyltryptamine

1122
00:48:52,839 --> 00:48:49,339
experience and report back to the

1123
00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:52,849
scientists what they experienced now the

1124
00:48:56,319 --> 00:48:54,950
curious thing here again if anybody is

1125
00:48:57,489 --> 00:48:56,329
interested I'm sure there's a lot of

1126
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:57,499
individuals out there who've already

1127
00:49:02,730 --> 00:48:58,970
read the book it's called spirit

1128
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:02,740
molecule but Rick

1129
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:06,160
reports as he would do in a scientific

1130
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:08,470
way the reports that the individuals

1131
00:49:17,070 --> 00:49:12,730
gave all of them said that when they

1132
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:17,080
were in the dmt state they realized that

1133
00:49:24,450 --> 00:49:22,150
this here is the hallucination the DMT

1134
00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:24,460
trip opened up their doors of reception

1135
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:26,680
to the plural for want of a better term

1136
00:49:32,910 --> 00:49:28,930
I mean Rick doesn't use that term but I

1137
00:49:35,370 --> 00:49:32,920
do and suddenly they're in another

1138
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:35,380
reality that is another level of reality

1139
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:39,010
above ours and in this level of reality

1140
00:49:47,099 --> 00:49:42,430
there are entities and these entities

1141
00:49:50,609 --> 00:49:47,109
have motivations these entities show

1142
00:49:53,010 --> 00:49:50,619
planning these entities communicate

1143
00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:53,020
they're not like things that appearing

1144
00:49:58,530 --> 00:49:55,720
drawable dreams they are things that

1145
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,540
were expecting them some of them when

1146
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:00,640
they went they got into this place where

1147
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:02,560
they go into this kind of cloud scape

1148
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:04,510
and there are these beings that they can

1149
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,710
see through the clouds and then the

1150
00:50:10,410 --> 00:50:07,839
beings start to look at them the beings

1151
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:10,420
were expecting them the beings knew that

1152
00:50:16,290 --> 00:50:12,970
they were taking DMT and were ready for

1153
00:50:18,510 --> 00:50:16,300
them the beings in question were

1154
00:50:22,859 --> 00:50:18,520
generally described in a very similar

1155
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:22,869
way to Grey's not only that but Terence

1156
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:25,450
Mckenna who is one of the major writers

1157
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:30,070
on DMT call them the Machine Elves right

1158
00:50:35,730 --> 00:50:33,609
and these entities are virtually

1159
00:50:38,099 --> 00:50:35,740
identical to the entities that my mother

1160
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:38,109
saw they are identical to the nth there

1161
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:39,910
there are lots of entities that people

1162
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,760
see in out of the body experiences

1163
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,280
people who in remote viewing and people

1164
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:48,640
who are abducted with UFOs now the weird

1165
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:50,530
and rather disturbing thing about this

1166
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:52,089
and it will be the feature of my new

1167
00:50:57,839 --> 00:50:55,359
book is what are they up to because they

1168
00:50:59,760 --> 00:50:57,849
seem to be experimenting because again

1169
00:51:02,220 --> 00:50:59,770
these individuals during the DMT trips

1170
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:02,230
recorded really awful things being done

1171
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,130
to them now what is significant here is

1172
00:51:10,850 --> 00:51:08,800
that the can be parallels drawn here to

1173
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:10,860
shamanic traveling

1174
00:51:15,350 --> 00:51:13,530
because when people shamanic travel they

1175
00:51:17,810 --> 00:51:15,360
meet entities when they shamanic Lee

1176
00:51:20,330 --> 00:51:17,820
travel and there is something called a

1177
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,340
shamanic journey and in the shamanic

1178
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:23,280
journey somebody the person the shaman

1179
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:26,460
is dismembered and cutting to by other

1180
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:29,160
beings it's part and parcel of the

1181
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:32,490
process of becoming a shaman now in the

1182
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:34,920
book I describe a series of incidents

1183
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:37,110
that took place in the life of a guy

1184
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:40,530
called Myron Dyle who is a Californian

1185
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,970
artist and Myron ever since his early

1186
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:47,760
childhood has been traveling to a place

1187
00:51:54,620 --> 00:51:51,450
he calls el Kong and the ins elk on

1188
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:54,630
there are entities and there's one

1189
00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:56,430
sequence which I discuss in the book

1190
00:52:00,620 --> 00:51:58,770
taken from his non published

1191
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:00,630
autobiography called the boy that nobody

1192
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:02,850
wanted which I strongly suggest you

1193
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:06,960
should read he describes how he is

1194
00:52:15,050 --> 00:52:11,310
ripped apart by entities and then put

1195
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,060
together again and regenerated now the

1196
00:52:21,860 --> 00:52:17,760
intriguing thing about Myron is he has

1197
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:21,870
temporal lobe epilepsy which in my book

1198
00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:23,910
I say is the next level where the doors

1199
00:52:30,820 --> 00:52:27,260
of perception are opened slightly wider

1200
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:30,830
from migraine to epilepsy and

1201
00:52:36,940 --> 00:52:34,140
particularly temporal lobe epilepsy so

1202
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:36,950
suddenly I'm starting to pull together

1203
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:39,900
something that actually is very very

1204
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:42,930
very structured it's suddenly I'm not

1205
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:45,000
writing that I've had these weird

1206
00:52:48,860 --> 00:52:46,980
experiences and in those weird

1207
00:52:51,740 --> 00:52:48,870
experiences the Martians have told me

1208
00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:51,750
all these things I'm actually doing the

1209
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:53,430
science and saying there are direct

1210
00:52:59,330 --> 00:52:56,760
links between migraine and temporal lobe

1211
00:53:01,880 --> 00:52:59,340
epilepsy in fact there is a gnome

1212
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:01,890
syndrome there is something called alep

1213
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:06,180
toyed alep toyed migraine where

1214
00:53:11,810 --> 00:53:08,280
individuals you cannot tell the

1215
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:11,820
difference between a migraine aura and a

1216
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:14,940
temporal lobe epilepsy aura so these are

1217
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:17,760
people who the door looking into the

1218
00:53:21,310 --> 00:53:20,610
plural is starting to get wider and

1219
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:21,320
wider

1220
00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:24,610
now I argue with Myron and

1221
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:25,840
he's in agreement with me on this

1222
00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:27,310
because I have to be sensitive about

1223
00:53:32,070 --> 00:53:29,800
this because I said Myron I think you

1224
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,080
have more than epilepsy I think you have

1225
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:34,240
elements of schizophrenia and there's

1226
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:36,610
this something called SLP II it's

1227
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:39,010
schizophrenia like psychosis of epilepsy

1228
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:42,040
and this is the borderline between

1229
00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:45,010
epilepsy and schizophrenia and

1230
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:47,080
schizophrenia is when the doors of

1231
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:49,800
perception are blown off and

1232
00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:52,570
schizophrenic s-- see the plur oma and

1233
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,180
of the entities whatever they are are

1234
00:54:00,780 --> 00:53:57,760
coming through and they are part of

1235
00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:00,790
their hallucinatory life all the time

1236
00:54:07,530 --> 00:54:05,020
and it drives them mad man it's just

1237
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:07,540
mind-blowing stuff and you know the

1238
00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:09,130
first part of everything you said before

1239
00:54:13,830 --> 00:54:11,260
you got to to Myron's experiences

1240
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:13,840
describes what I experienced to a tee

1241
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:16,720
especially the element that you're

1242
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:19,330
transported to a foreign environment for

1243
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:21,400
lack of better terms and you instantly

1244
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:24,370
know that it's a familiar place that is

1245
00:54:30,180 --> 00:54:26,770
more real than your everyday reality and

1246
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:30,190
you can't explain to a skeptic order to

1247
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:32,470
a non experience er what that feels like

1248
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:35,050
I mean it's like saying it hurt when you

1249
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:36,550
stabbed me with the pin well how do you

1250
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,590
know it hurt because I felt pain I know

1251
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,480
it hurt I just know it did yeah and

1252
00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:42,160
that's how the feeling is you just you

1253
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:44,440
know it's strange but yet incredibly

1254
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:47,710
familiar and if I hadn't experienced in

1255
00:54:51,180 --> 00:54:49,510
myself I mean that morning I woke up an

1256
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:51,190
atheist I went to bed not knowing what

1257
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:54,010
the hell was going on but amazing stuff

1258
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,930
man and we got through about half the

1259
00:54:58,860 --> 00:54:57,280
questions I had for you we'll have to do

1260
00:55:00,720 --> 00:54:58,870
this again sometime

1261
00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:00,730
no absolutely anytime Greg you want to

1262
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,990
do it again I'm more than happy to do

1263
00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:03,520
you great interviewer and you know your

1264
00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:04,750
stuff thank you man and you do your

1265
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:06,280
research you actually give me the honor

1266
00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:08,920
of reading the book which is important

1267
00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:11,470
host only have a couple small jobs and

1268
00:55:14,010 --> 00:55:12,580
that would be one of them but you know

1269
00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:14,020
the rest of the world makes it easy for

1270
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,900
me I guess so thanks again man I you

1271
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:18,640
know one thing I did take away from you

1272
00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:20,050
I've been a fan of your work since we

1273
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,700
first got familiar you were actually the

1274
00:55:26,250 --> 00:55:24,160
guest on my 21st show ever

1275
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:26,260
so I appreciate coming on at such an

1276
00:55:30,930 --> 00:55:29,110
early stage and you talked about the

1277
00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:30,940
lucid light device and you made me aware

1278
00:55:34,290 --> 00:55:32,350
of that and I was lucky enough to

1279
00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:34,300
experience one when it came through town

1280
00:55:37,950 --> 00:55:36,460
so I'm always going to owe you that

1281
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:37,960
because that was

1282
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:39,880
okay okay Jeff you got time to tell us

1283
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:41,140
about your experience with it I mean

1284
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:44,290
yeah to be honest with you it was a

1285
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:46,390
little because they had a dial on the

1286
00:55:50,310 --> 00:55:48,730
machine and it had ten stages and they

1287
00:55:53,370 --> 00:55:50,320
said we can dial up the intensity as

1288
00:55:56,070 --> 00:55:53,380
much as you might like and on ten they

1289
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,080
had the labeled DMT and I said well you

1290
00:56:00,089 --> 00:55:58,240
know I've done DMT I've smoked I've done

1291
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:00,099
several loosens let's just go for it I'm

1292
00:56:05,579 --> 00:56:03,310
here I'm not gonna see this again and it

1293
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:05,589
was interesting but it's it felt like

1294
00:56:11,339 --> 00:56:08,260
you know having experienced DMT it kind

1295
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:11,349
of felt like a synthetic version and I

1296
00:56:17,370 --> 00:56:14,950
was left kind of dizzy which is not so

1297
00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:17,380
what I experienced with the drug itself

1298
00:56:22,589 --> 00:56:19,900
but definitely fascinating that you

1299
00:56:24,450 --> 00:56:22,599
could get someone that close to a real

1300
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:24,460
psychedelic experience with just

1301
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:28,690
flashing lights we are just a series of

1302
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:30,609
electrodes and we're big computers and

1303
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:33,130
it was intense it definitely was but I

1304
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:35,650
felt like it was still felt slightly

1305
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:38,170
simulated and I didn't really get out of

1306
00:56:42,210 --> 00:56:39,609
body in the way that I've heard other

1307
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:42,220
people describe no I totally agree with

1308
00:56:45,570 --> 00:56:43,810
you on that I I think the thing is as

1309
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:45,580
you know I point I as a section in the

1310
00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:47,140
book where I discuss Cliver form

1311
00:56:54,329 --> 00:56:50,680
constants and Cliver form constants I

1312
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:54,339
think of what it generates and these are

1313
00:57:02,550 --> 00:56:58,290
hallucinogenic images but they are not

1314
00:57:04,589 --> 00:57:02,560
as powerful as what DMT would be in

1315
00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:04,599
other words DMT I think is he's kind of

1316
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:07,180
looking at a TV screen and seeing

1317
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:09,670
something at a distance whereas DMT

1318
00:57:14,010 --> 00:57:11,920
gives you I mean I've never taken a

1319
00:57:16,410 --> 00:57:14,020
substance but I am told and I would use

1320
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:16,420
the analogy it's like being in an IMAX

1321
00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:19,750
cinema surround-sound 3d the whole

1322
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:21,070
kaboodle and that's the difference

1323
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:23,460
because I do not think you can simulate

1324
00:57:29,250 --> 00:57:27,460
these things in that way I think they

1325
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:29,260
have to be simulated differently and

1326
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:30,609
there could be an argument that it might

1327
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:32,770
actually stimulate the pineal gland to

1328
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:33,130
release

1329
00:57:38,579 --> 00:57:34,570
dimethyltryptamine endogenous

1330
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,589
dimethyltryptamine but I remain to be

1331
00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:40,960
convinced but until I have done DMT I

1332
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:43,150
obviously can never really comment in

1333
00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:45,400
that way because I can't you can and I

1334
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:47,080
think your opinion on that is very very

1335
00:57:51,010 --> 00:57:48,730
important so thanks for sharing that hey

1336
00:57:52,810 --> 00:57:51,020
thank you man I wouldn't have even given

1337
00:57:55,780 --> 00:57:52,820
second thought had you not emphasized

1338
00:57:57,790 --> 00:57:55,790
how useful it could be as a tool and I'm

1339
00:57:59,800 --> 00:57:57,800
glad I can knock that off the bucket

1340
00:58:01,720 --> 00:57:59,810
list for sure some man

1341
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:01,730
I definitely love this we could do it

1342
00:58:05,380 --> 00:58:03,530
all day but that pretty much is all the

1343
00:58:08,110 --> 00:58:05,390
time we have it's been a serious blast

1344
00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:08,120
talking to you again before we go remind

1345
00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:09,470
the people where they can get the book

1346
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:11,390
and where they can follow more of your

1347
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:14,480
ongoing work maybe on your website okay

1348
00:58:20,050 --> 00:58:16,850
yeah my website is Anthony peek comm

1349
00:58:21,610 --> 00:58:20,060
it's recently been contou devised so

1350
00:58:23,350 --> 00:58:21,620
it's a completely brand new website

1351
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,360
there and you'll find tons of material

1352
00:58:27,130 --> 00:58:25,280
on there all my interviews this

1353
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:27,140
interview will be up there my previous

1354
00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:28,310
interviews with Greg will be up there

1355
00:58:31,570 --> 00:58:29,390
and everything else so it will all be

1356
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:31,580
there in terms of my books can get them

1357
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,110
on Amazon you can order them from your

1358
00:58:36,580 --> 00:58:34,880
local bookshop you'll probably find some

1359
00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:36,590
of them in your local bookshop they're

1360
00:58:41,710 --> 00:58:39,500
on Kindle that I'm about to spend three

1361
00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:41,720
days in two weeks time recording

1362
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:44,660
inaudiable or audible whatever they

1363
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:47,930
called book for my first book so that

1364
00:58:52,090 --> 00:58:50,510
will be going into sound lots of

1365
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:52,100
material out there but my books and if

1366
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:54,890
you want to help me always always the

1367
00:58:59,770 --> 00:58:57,290
best way to help me financially is to

1368
00:59:01,060 --> 00:58:59,780
buy the books off my website because

1369
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:01,070
there is a section on there where you

1370
00:59:04,660 --> 00:59:02,390
can buy the books and you get signed

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00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:04,670
copies I cannot compete with Amazon in

1372
00:59:09,370 --> 00:59:07,130
terms that I have to pay distribution

1373
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:09,380
costs but you get the book at the same

1374
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:10,970
price you would pay in a bookshop and

1375
00:59:14,290 --> 00:59:12,310
I'll sign it and everything else and

1376
00:59:16,540 --> 00:59:14,300
obviously you're then part of my world

1377
00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:16,550
but join me on Facebook check me out on

1378
00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:18,470
Facebook check out the website and

1379
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:20,390
everything else and I'd love to hear

1380
00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:22,010
from you if you've had experiences it's

1381
00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:23,960
important to me that I get feedback I

1382
00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:26,780
get scores of messages every day so I

1383
00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:28,580
try as best as I can to get back to

1384
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,750
every bit of what I can't guarantee it

1385
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:31,520
but I will try right on

1386
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:34,730
cool Anthony amazing keep digging in and

1387
00:59:39,580 --> 00:59:37,370
we will be eager to digest what you

1388
00:59:43,420 --> 00:59:39,590
discover until next time thanks Greg

1389
00:59:45,550 --> 00:59:43,430
thank you all right Anthony P big thanks

1390
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:45,560
to him great speaker passionate about

1391
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:47,270
his work touched by more than one

1392
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:49,220
personal connection to the research and

1393
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:51,530
you got to respect that and hey life is

1394
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:52,400
weird

1395
00:59:59,140 --> 00:59:56,810
it at these depths is pretty refreshing

1396
01:00:02,350 --> 00:59:59,150
cuz when was the last time he actually

1397
01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:02,360
sat with a buddy and contemplated why we

1398
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:05,240
need sleep to live why we need

1399
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:08,240
REM sleep specifically the dream cycle

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01:00:14,050 --> 01:00:11,810
you don't dream in 48 hours you're

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01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:14,060
probably gonna die I don't know exactly

1402
01:00:18,609 --> 01:00:16,010
how long you can go but the point is

1403
01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:18,619
that you can't go along when was the

1404
01:00:22,780 --> 01:00:20,030
last time you said hey instead of going

1405
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:22,790
out downtown tonight let's do mushrooms

1406
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:25,610
in the backyard I don't know but I

1407
01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:27,890
almost asked Anthony about how animals

1408
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:30,200
might sense the plural but I've been way

1409
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:31,930
too into animal questions lately

1410
01:00:35,350 --> 01:00:34,310
probably because of planet Earth too and

1411
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:35,360
the fact that I don't get out of the

1412
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:36,920
house enough I sit on a couch with two

1413
01:00:41,590 --> 01:00:38,960
cats and a dog and smoke weed till I try

1414
01:00:43,540 --> 01:00:41,600
to send them telepathic messages it's

1415
01:00:45,490 --> 01:00:43,550
not a healthy lifestyle but it is where

1416
01:00:47,140 --> 01:00:45,500
we're at although there was that one

1417
01:00:48,730 --> 01:00:47,150
story or maybe it's happened multiple

1418
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:48,740
times but I think there was a pretty

1419
01:00:53,350 --> 01:00:50,990
famous case of a house cat that lived in

1420
01:00:55,150 --> 01:00:53,360
a hospital it would always spend time in

1421
01:00:58,720 --> 01:00:55,160
a person's room the day before they died

1422
01:01:00,010 --> 01:00:58,730
it just knew what was killing people but

1423
01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:00,020
I think it just had a sixth sense about

1424
01:01:05,530 --> 01:01:03,710
things who knows why I actually recall

1425
01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:05,540
my dad telling me something similar

1426
01:01:10,359 --> 01:01:08,150
about an old uncle of his or somebody in

1427
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:10,369
the family who was really highly

1428
01:01:15,460 --> 01:01:12,770
accurate at predicting deaths of loved

1429
01:01:17,050 --> 01:01:15,470
ones dig back a few generations and I

1430
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,060
think most of us will find something

1431
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:19,520
like that also the great minds behind

1432
01:01:24,849 --> 01:01:21,530
Westworld which we talked about are

1433
01:01:27,970 --> 01:01:24,859
actually Michael Crichton and Jonathan

1434
01:01:29,620 --> 01:01:27,980
Nolan Christopher Nolan's brother and

1435
01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:29,630
I'm only three episodes into the show

1436
01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:33,500
and I find it to be pretty slow but I'm

1437
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:35,390
gonna try to stick with it I was

1438
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:37,970
reminded with this THC just how far off

1439
01:01:42,609 --> 01:01:40,010
my thoughts can be from the mainstream

1440
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:42,619
it's just funny how sure people are

1441
01:01:46,780 --> 01:01:44,690
about things they know nothing about a

1442
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:46,790
lot of people who have never smoked

1443
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:49,369
salvia are positive it can't transport

1444
01:01:52,990 --> 01:01:51,170
you to another place people who have

1445
01:01:55,690 --> 01:01:53,000
never meditated are sure that the

1446
01:01:57,490 --> 01:01:55,700
benefits have to be overinflated it's

1447
01:01:59,470 --> 01:01:57,500
just so frustrating because what do you

1448
01:02:02,290 --> 01:01:59,480
say to a person who is completely sure

1449
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:02,300
of themselves wrong and also in the

1450
01:02:06,790 --> 01:02:04,910
majority it's like the conversational

1451
01:02:08,740 --> 01:02:06,800
equivalent of nails on a chalkboard to

1452
01:02:10,690 --> 01:02:08,750
me when I'm driving in a car with

1453
01:02:12,220 --> 01:02:10,700
someone and they say they want to turn

1454
01:02:15,220 --> 01:02:12,230
on the air-conditioner because they're

1455
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:15,230
hot I don't say well I'm in this car and

1456
01:02:18,980 --> 01:02:17,450
I'm not hot so there's no way that that

1457
01:02:20,809 --> 01:02:18,990
could be your experience

1458
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:20,819
or if someone says they're hungry I

1459
01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:24,540
don't say nah that can't be I mean how

1460
01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:26,460
do you respond to that someone doubting

1461
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:27,900
that you're experiencing the sensation

1462
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:30,540
of hunger it's the same thing with

1463
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:32,010
psychedelics don't tell me what I

1464
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:33,660
experienced if you don't have the balls

1465
01:02:37,490 --> 01:02:36,030
to do it yourself then get insight from

1466
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,500
those who do don't [\h__\h] on their

1467
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:39,839
experiences don't put up a wall

1468
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:41,609
sponsored by the establishments

1469
01:02:46,910 --> 01:02:44,490
Coalition for a one-note world [\h__\h] that

1470
01:02:49,010 --> 01:02:46,920
and [\h__\h] them I'm out of here

1471
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:49,020
your move brave Psychonauts and

1472
01:02:52,490 --> 01:02:51,089
entheogenic explorers risking it all to

1473
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:52,500
further explore the depths of the

1474
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:54,420
multiverse and silent defiance of a

1475
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,460
multi-generational campaign to regulate

1476
01:03:04,400 --> 01:02:58,640
our brains two wavelengths they deem fit

1477
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:04,410
your [\h__\h] mood lucid dreams are so

1478
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:07,290
vivid cuz you go to bed at 7:00 and your

1479
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:08,730
brain comes alive

1480
01:03:14,299 --> 01:03:11,940
cuz you H and 9 to 5 you wake up with a

1481
01:03:16,790 --> 01:03:14,309
dread and make sure your cats are fed

1482
01:03:19,579 --> 01:03:16,800
did your brain talk to a ghost who moved

1483
01:03:23,569 --> 01:03:19,589
your coffee and toast as you listen to

1484
01:03:26,089 --> 01:03:23,579
the higher side chats you get to your

1485
01:03:28,940 --> 01:03:26,099
desk and your boss says it's a mess and

1486
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:28,950
your soul slowly goes to a place where

1487
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:31,170
nothing grows when you think he's not

1488
01:03:38,430 --> 01:03:35,310
around you insert a SETI sound

1489
01:03:42,750 --> 01:03:38,440
vom says turn it down and you say it's

1490
01:03:46,130 --> 01:03:42,760
just the higher side chats hello do you

1491
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:46,140
think you'd be invited to Bohemian Grove

1492
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:50,830
to a Bilderberg Club oh do you think

1493
01:03:59,970 --> 01:03:54,880
you'd be invited by rust out to a party

1494
01:04:02,330 --> 01:03:59,980
on a submarine diving down

1495
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:02,340
to the center of the

1496
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:05,520
to the Marianas Trench your teeth begin

1497
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:09,720
to clinch from the sulphureus stench the

1498
01:04:17,999 --> 01:04:13,680
mask you give in doesn't fit because

1499
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:20,920
starting today you'll make plans to get

1500
01:04:26,289 --> 01:04:23,569
away there's no one to hold you down and

1501
01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:26,299
the what if start to drown then you wake

1502
01:04:31,989 --> 01:04:29,150
to the glare of a co fluorescent stare

1503
01:04:34,359 --> 01:04:31,999
and the light winks at you cuz its life

1504
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:34,369
is almost through but it's holding gone

1505
01:04:57,210 --> 01:04:38,210
to quit time just like you it's time for

1506
01:05:01,089 --> 01:04:59,529
hey guys thanks for listening to the

1507
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:01,099
first hour of the higher side chats

1508
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:03,440
podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you

1509
01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:05,510
don't know there is a second hour to all

1510
01:05:09,579 --> 01:05:07,880
the episodes we do around here generally

1511
01:05:11,319 --> 01:05:09,589
we're able to get a lot deeper into the

1512
01:05:13,329 --> 01:05:11,329
topics and ideas that a guest is about

1513
01:05:16,450 --> 01:05:13,339
so if you enjoyed what you've heard from

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01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:16,460
THC for free consider signing up at the

1515
01:05:20,620 --> 01:05:18,650
higher side chats plus com to get the

1516
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:20,630
second hour of the 5 shows I put

1517
01:05:24,849 --> 01:05:22,970
together each month I never really

1518
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:24,859
wanted to be a paid subscriber podcast

1519
01:05:28,539 --> 01:05:26,569
but I really hate the idea of spending

1520
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:28,549
airtime promoting some product that's

1521
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:30,650
completely unrelated and telling you the

1522
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:32,329
best way to support the show is to buy

1523
01:05:36,759 --> 01:05:35,089
an audio book or new underwear by mail

1524
01:05:39,309 --> 01:05:36,769
or something crazy like that so instead

1525
01:05:40,930 --> 01:05:39,319
if you like the show double your time

1526
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:40,940
with it for five bucks a month and let's

1527
01:05:44,650 --> 01:05:43,039
cut out all the other [\h__\h] it's half the

1528
01:05:46,420 --> 01:05:44,660
price of a movie ticket and you get at

1529
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:46,430
least an extra five hours of show a

1530
01:05:50,829 --> 01:05:49,039
month collectively it keeps us stable

1531
01:05:52,450 --> 01:05:50,839
and it frees me from wasting your time

1532
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:52,460
with anything but the show you came to

1533
01:05:56,980 --> 01:05:55,010
listen to it's really the only way for

1534
01:05:58,779 --> 01:05:56,990
an independent one-man show to make it

1535
01:06:00,999 --> 01:05:58,789
and I do what I can so that it's worth

1536
01:06:02,980 --> 01:06:01,009
your while since we started this I've

1537
01:06:05,019 --> 01:06:02,990
always tried to use the subscriptions to

1538
01:06:07,569 --> 01:06:05,029
improve the podcast and make signups

1539
01:06:09,490 --> 01:06:07,579
more advantageous it started with just a

1540
01:06:11,170 --> 01:06:09,500
second hour for the main show but now

1541
01:06:13,210 --> 01:06:11,180
we've got a nice forum going where

1542
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:13,220
people can get deeper in conversation

1543
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:14,930
about the episodes with other listeners

1544
01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:17,839
submit a candidate in the guest request

1545
01:06:21,579 --> 01:06:19,720
thread or share their own personal

1546
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:21,589
projects to get out of the soul-crushing

1547
01:06:26,410 --> 01:06:23,839
nine-to-five cog in the wheel life on

1548
01:06:28,089 --> 01:06:26,420
the entrepreneurs thread the forum in

1549
01:06:29,799 --> 01:06:28,099
the Plus comments are always the first

1550
01:06:32,049 --> 01:06:29,809
places I try to go for listener

1551
01:06:34,420 --> 01:06:32,059
engagement but it does get harder as the

1552
01:06:36,249 --> 01:06:34,430
show gets more popular because of that

1553
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:36,259
there's also a direct messaging feature

1554
01:06:40,569 --> 01:06:37,730
that you can use to reach me through the

1555
01:06:42,190 --> 01:06:40,579
plus site also well beyond the forum if

1556
01:06:44,349 --> 01:06:42,200
you like any of the music I've used for

1557
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,359
THC most of it I've hired artists to

1558
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:46,160
make and I provided all as free

1559
01:06:49,870 --> 01:06:48,410
downloads to plus members too so if you

1560
01:06:52,059 --> 01:06:49,880
like a particular song you've heard

1561
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:52,069
close the show out recently come get the

1562
01:06:56,410 --> 01:06:54,410
mp3 I should also mention that if you

1563
01:06:58,749 --> 01:06:56,420
don't like the idea of paying $5

1564
01:07:00,940 --> 01:06:58,759
recurring every month I get that you can

1565
01:07:03,279 --> 01:07:00,950
buy three months six months or a year

1566
01:07:05,019 --> 01:07:03,289
upfront and just be done with it I have

1567
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:05,029
plenty of listeners who send checks and

1568
01:07:07,930 --> 01:07:07,609
money orders to the PIO box too I try to

1569
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:07,940
make it

1570
01:07:11,350 --> 01:07:09,890
is easy for people as I can and you can

1571
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:11,360
read more about it on the signup page

1572
01:07:15,790 --> 01:07:14,090
also be sure to check out the FAQ help

1573
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:15,800
page on the plus site if you have any

1574
01:07:19,330 --> 01:07:17,450
questions or concerns about how to

1575
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:19,340
listen to a password-protected show on

1576
01:07:23,590 --> 01:07:21,710
your devices I've highlighted a lot of

1577
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:23,600
great solutions and one of those would

1578
01:07:28,750 --> 01:07:26,090
be the iPhone app that just recently hit

1579
01:07:30,910 --> 01:07:28,760
the Apple App Store a super kind and

1580
01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:30,920
talented listener made it for us and you

1581
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:32,750
can use it to stream or download either

1582
01:07:37,870 --> 01:07:34,910
the free or the plus show if you're on

1583
01:07:39,460 --> 01:07:37,880
Android I'd use pocket casts or podcast

1584
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:39,470
addict and subscribe to the feed

1585
01:07:44,740 --> 01:07:42,050
manually that way I also try to throw an

1586
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:44,750
occasional bonus shows or QA shows and

1587
01:07:48,910 --> 01:07:46,730
I've got a few other weird ideas I might

1588
01:07:50,830 --> 01:07:48,920
get to try out soon but I give you all I

1589
01:07:52,510 --> 01:07:50,840
can for five bucks and I hope you'll at

1590
01:07:54,220 --> 01:07:52,520
least give it a shot if you've listened

1591
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,230
to a few free shows and you find them

1592
01:07:57,790 --> 01:07:56,000
unique or valuable I know there's a lot

1593
01:07:59,950 --> 01:07:57,800
of podcasts out there and I'm just one

1594
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,960
of them but if you have any questions

1595
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:01,760
concerns or comments about any of this

1596
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:03,290
please get in touch with us at the

1597
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:06,170
higher side chats team at gmail.com I

1598
01:08:09,490 --> 01:08:08,090
also wanted to plug the higher side

1599
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:09,500
newsletter I'm gonna be putting out

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01:08:13,810 --> 01:08:11,330
totally free for anyone who wants to

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01:08:15,970 --> 01:08:13,820
sign up at the main internet website for

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you can also get on that email list

1604
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through the higher side chats Facebook

1605
01:08:23,410 --> 01:08:21,980
page there's a button there as well but

1606
01:08:25,930 --> 01:08:23,420
the reason I'm doing this is because I

1607
01:08:28,030 --> 01:08:25,940
get tons and tons of emails after a show

1608
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:28,040
goes up asking me about how I feel about

1609
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:29,930
a particular guest or topic and the

1610
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,520
wrap-up isn't always the best place to

1611
01:08:35,470 --> 01:08:33,440
do that especially if I have anything

1612
01:08:37,330 --> 01:08:35,480
negative to say sometimes the dust needs

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to settle sometimes I need to hear

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feedback from you guys first there are a

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lot of factors but I usually have

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something to communicate to you and I

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just don't get to do it so on the first

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of the month I plan to send out a little

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newsletter with my thoughts about the

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five shows the previous month and talk

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to you about anything else that's on my

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mind or that's going on and what's

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probably most enticing is that I'm gonna

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give you some insight into at least one

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guest I have coming up in the month

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which people have been begging for some

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posted schedule for a long time I

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personally think I'd like the surprise

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but sign up for the higher side

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newsletter it's free it comes out on the

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1st of the month and I won't waste your

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time with any other emails and that's it

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I appreciate you listening I try to give

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alternative ideas and guests a fair

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shake on a high-quality podcast expose

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some deep level conspiracies without the

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yelling and I hope to offer some

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inspiration that even though the system

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01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:28,839
relentlessly suggests you should follow

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their blueprint to mediocrity you can do

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01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:33,310
your own thing and live a much happier

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life despite all the negativity in the